Dear Lord Hunt of Kings Heath,
We met yesterday, at the Kerr/Haslam Meeting.
I was the one who suggested, single sex units should be run by same sex staff, and that rape kits, should be available on all the psychiatric wards, so that evidence may be taken immediately, these kits should also contain a camera (throw away ones) so that photographic evidence of the state of the patient (bruised) etc can be taken and the state of the room and evidence of struggle etc.
Below are a couple of letters I previously have written to Louis Appleby about the concerns that psychiatric patients are not seen to be good witness's and that there cases never seem to go through.
I would be very interested to know out of accusations made by patients how many have actually gone forward and how many if any made it to court or a prosecution.
Culture was mentioned many times last night and I worry that the underlying culture, is either to cover up allegations, or deal with it in house, often moving the perpetrator somewhere else.
Here are the emails and the response from Louis Appleby's office
Most of the 19 rape allegations made in psychiatric wards from 2003 to 2005 are subject to "significant doubt", the government has claimed.
Mental health "tsar" Louis Appleby (pictured) said after collecting information from local trusts he doubted whether 13 of the incidents actually happened as several allegations were made "when the patients' mental state was severely disturbed". community care magazine
i am dumbfounded to read your above statement in community care magazine.........many patients who have actually been raped believe the use of hallucinatory drugs is a deliberate procedure to make allegations they make doubted and difficult to prove or follow up.........if you care so much for the patients safety why are you only now bothering to provide single sex accommodation a shamefully long time coming......and will only start to work if backed up with female only staff on women's wards and male only staff on the men's wards........some people are drawn to these services so that they have the means to take advantage of those who have no voice.....and if they do speak up they are disbelieved because they are mad ........ god no wonder our society is in such a mess........you have a responsible job as the czar......maybe if we had a service user czar as it should be.....they wouldn't be making flippant and frankly ridiculous remarks....... what cos your mad that automatically makes you a liar and if your "severely disturbed" then you can't be believed.........maybe your severely disturbed because you have been sexually abused and no one is listening to you or believing you.......there there love take your medication.......or maybe you are too terrified to tell anyone......enough to make a sane person mad...sorry i forgot we are already mad otherwise we wouldn't be locked up in the first place.....so i guess that just makes us sitting ducks!!!
miranda morland
bruised uk
RESPONSE
Thank you for your email. Professor Appleby has asked me to send this reply
on his behalf.
Please be reassured that the issue of sexual safety for inpatients is
something which we take very seriously. It is simply that the 19 cases
referred to in the report did not provide good evidence of the problem.
Best wishes
Liz Gass
Private Secretary/National Director for Mental Health
with all due respect i do not feel that this is an adequate response and it frankly makes me more worried.....this community care it left me with the feeling that people were not being believed......now your secretary on your behalf is saying that it is due to a lack of evidence....how much evidence is necessary for an enquiry to go forward and for a victim of this diabolical crime to have a favourable outcome and for a case to be taken forward and the perpetrator to be prosecuted.....are there adequate systems in place to allow the victim to come forward in the first place.....i am very interested in the policy that the NHS has on Rape on Wards and where it can be obtained?.....this is a very serious issue and if due to lack of evidence 19 rapist have got off scott free and if 19 poor souls have had their lives shattered by this dreadful experience when supposedly in a place of safety there needs to be a full enquiry on how these cases are dealt with......are there any figures for those who have been prosecuted for raping someone in a ward situation.....i hope that you and others will look into this matter as soon as possible......it is obvious we are not getting the DUTY OF CARE the NHS is supposed to provide whole situation has to be updated and moved into the 21st century....from the comment you made in
miranda morland
I never received a response to my last email.
Thank you so much for all that you said last night and I feel happy in the knowledge that you take this matter very seriously and I believe that you will do all in your power to make the system of reporting abuse and preventing abuse, and procecuting the abusers a top priority.
Yours sincerely
miranda morland
Hooray for Suman Fernando
Thank you so much Suman, for taking a stand on behalf of us all who have and still do use the mental health system.
The Government seem to have sidelined everyone else’s opinion, from service users to the professionals, not that we are at all surprised, they have been determined to railroad through this draconian Mental Heath Bill from the beginning, with no consideration for the patient.
They keep harping on about treatment yet the only treatment available is to be drugged at great cost to the NHS and even greater financial gain by the pharmaceutical companies and at great cost to those who have to keep taking the tablets, hardly a solution when many of the drugs given to psychiatric patients especially benzodiazepines are known to cause panic attacks, agoraphobia, insomnia, nightmares, tremors, muscle spasms, hallucinations, depression, psychosis, fits and suicide, this is not something made known to the patients let alone the general public.
Now that 5 core members making up 85% of the mental health staff in this country have withdrawn from the Mental Health Alliance at the midnight hour, what is to happen now!
It is hard to know who is supporting who?
Where is the choice a word that is banded about far too much yet is not permitted within mental health, I can choose who operates on me etc. Yet have no choice as to who or how I am treated within the Mental Health System.
We are all terrified by the implications of the Mental Health Bill which has clearly come out of the Home Office and not the Department of Health, in the headlines this week we have found out that the Government has secretly set up a VIP stalker squad to identify and detain terrorists and “OTHER” individuals who pose a threat to prominent people. The unit staffed by police and psychiatrists will have the power to detain suspects indefinitely using mental health laws.
We always knew we were becoming a police state but it is happening almost over night and we have no way of stopping it, when these bully boy institutions work hand in hand.
We need to wake up to the Agenda being set in this country before it is too late! and someone needs to remind the Government that they work for us.
So thank you for taking a stand Suman, as it takes “just one drop”
Jack Nicholson shot to fame in the 1975 film One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
He played the heroic rebel McMurphy who defied the Establishment. The
mental hospital was itself a metaphor for state authorities. For many
people Milos Forman’s film brought to light the cruel imprisonment of
mentally ill people and the horrors of electro convulsive treatment
(ECT). ECT is still being practised in the UK, by the way, and under
the 2006 Mental Health Bill, enforcement of treatment, including
medication, can go on even after patients are discharged from hospital,
for unlimited periods of time. As McMurphy discovered, being a mental
patient was worse than being in jail, because at least prisoners know
how long their sentences will last.
More than thirty years on in
the UK, psychiatrists and mental health practitioners have united in
opposing the Bill presently going through the Report Stage in the House
of Commons before it receives its Third Reading. Its provisions make it
easier to detain people and force them to undertake treatment, whether
or not they have committed a crime.
Late in May, five
organisations representing 85% of Mental Health Staff suspended their
membership from the Mental Health Alliance UK so that they could air
their views independently on the Bill.
Last week the Commission
for Racial Equality (CRE) condemned the Department of Health for
“probably the worst” racial record of any Whitehall department and
condemned the “manipulative practices” used to drive through the bill.
At
the Royal College of Psychiatrists' Annual Conference in Edinburgh at
the weekend, Professor Graham Thornicroft, of the Institute of
Psychiatry at Kings College, London, said “… The last thing we need now
is a mental health law that will make social exclusion even worse,
especially for black people who feel coerced by the system”.
One
out of five mental health patients in the UK are from ethnic minority
backgrounds compared to one in ten in the population as a whole.
African Caribbeans are 44% more likely to be sectioned, 29% more likely
to be forcibly restrained, 50% more likely to be placed in seclusion
and make up 30% of in-patients on medium secure psychiatric wards,
despite having similar rates of mental illness as British white people.
Suman
Fernando, an eminent psychiatrics professor at London Metropolitan
University, recently turned down an OBE, in protest against the racist
aspects of the Bill. In a letter to the prime minister and Gordon Brown
rejecting the Honour, he wrote:
“Failure of mental health
services to meet the needs of BME (Black Minority Ethnic) communities
results from institutional racism and injustices are evident mostly in
the experiences of black Caribbean people who are disproportionately
sectioned and subjected to inappropriate – often damaging ‘care’.”
His
rejection of the award was welcomed by Matilda MacAttram, director of
Black Mental Health UK, and Alicia Spence of African Caribbean
Community Initiative, who said: “He is standing up for those who have
suffered and died within the mental health system…”.
Those with inside experience of treatment, like Miranda Morland of Bruised UK
have also thanked Fernando, describing the Mental Health Bill as
“draconian, with no consideration for the patient”. Morland points to
the dangerous fusion of functions between the Home Office and the
Department of Health:
“We are all terrified by the implications
of the Mental Health Bill which has clearly come out of the Home Office
and not the Department of Health. In the headlines this week we have
found out that the government has secretly set up a VIP stalker squad
to identify and detain terrorists and ‘OTHER’ individuals who pose a
threat to prominent people. The unit staffed by police and
psychiatrists, will have the power to detain suspects indefinitely
using mental health laws.
“We always knew we were becoming a
police state but it is happening almost over night and we have no way
of stopping it, when these bully boy institutions work hand in hand. We
need to wake up to the Agenda being set in this country before it is
too late, and someone needs to remind the government that they work for
us.”
Unfortunately, it’s also time to wake up to the fact that
our interests, like those of mental health patients, are not on the
government’s agenda.
Corinna Lotz, AWTW secretary
Who are the Mental Health Alliance's real Allies?
To Her Majesty's Government:
"Mental health legislation is very powerful. It allows the state to deprive people of their liberty purely because of their medical condition. We believe that any compromise of a person's rights and freedom should be balanced by safeguards. People with mental health problems should have the right to help when they ask for it. Patients should only be detained against their will if it will benefit their health. They should have access to an advocate and their carers and family should be involved.
Reform of the 1983 Mental Health Act must be taken seriously. Stakeholders should be fully consulted on the Government's proposals before they are published and a comprehensive Race Equality Impact Assessment on the whole Act should be conducted, considered and published alongside the Bill."
from the MHA
my response
No doubt they want a pat on the back for bothering at the midnight hour they should have written a decent petition ages ago and the wording is dodgy
Patients should only be detained against their will if it will benefit their health. And who is going to determine that?
Too little too late
Looks like a lot more of us will be getting banged up it if it goes through maybe because we haven't followed the drive to get us back into work, as just a little push is all that's needed as it will surely benefit our health to work after all these years of pulling a fast one pretending to be unwell!
Let's all get direct payments and start a fantastic sanctuary in sunny spain
sanctuary= protection or a safe place, especially for someone or something being chased or hunted
Jack Nicholson shot to fame in the 1975 film One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
He played the heroic rebel McMurphy who defied the Establishment. The
mental hospital was itself a metaphor for state authorities. For many
people Milos Forman’s film brought to light the cruel imprisonment of
mentally ill people and the horrors of electro convulsive treatment
(ECT). ECT is still being practised in the UK, by the way, and under
the 2006 Mental Health Bill, enforcement of treatment, including
medication, can go on even after patients are discharged from hospital,
for unlimited periods of time. As McMurphy discovered, being a mental
patient was worse than being in jail, because at least prisoners know
how long their sentences will last.
More than thirty years on in
the UK, psychiatrists and mental health practitioners have united in
opposing the Bill presently going through the Report Stage in the House
of Commons before it receives its Third Reading. Its provisions make it
easier to detain people and force them to undertake treatment, whether
or not they have committed a crime.
Late in May, five
organisations representing 85% of Mental Health Staff suspended their
membership from the Mental Health Alliance UK so that they could air
their views independently on the Bill.
Last week the Commission
for Racial Equality (CRE) condemned the Department of Health for
“probably the worst” racial record of any Whitehall department and
condemned the “manipulative practices” used to drive through the bill.
At
the Royal College of Psychiatrists' Annual Conference in Edinburgh at
the weekend, Professor Graham Thornicroft, of the Institute of
Psychiatry at Kings College, London, said “… The last thing we need now
is a mental health law that will make social exclusion even worse,
especially for black people who feel coerced by the system”.
One
out of five mental health patients in the UK are from ethnic minority
backgrounds compared to one in ten in the population as a whole.
African Caribbeans are 44% more likely to be sectioned, 29% more likely
to be forcibly restrained, 50% more likely to be placed in seclusion
and make up 30% of in-patients on medium secure psychiatric wards,
despite having similar rates of mental illness as British white people.
Suman
Fernando, an eminent psychiatrics professor at London Metropolitan
University, recently turned down an OBE, in protest against the racist
aspects of the Bill. In a letter to the prime minister and Gordon Brown
rejecting the Honour, he wrote:
“Failure of mental health
services to meet the needs of BME (Black Minority Ethnic) communities
results from institutional racism and injustices are evident mostly in
the experiences of black Caribbean people who are disproportionately
sectioned and subjected to inappropriate – often damaging ‘care’.”
His
rejection of the award was welcomed by Matilda MacAttram, director of
Black Mental Health UK, and Alicia Spence of African Caribbean
Community Initiative, who said: “He is standing up for those who have
suffered and died within the mental health system…”.
Those with inside experience of treatment, like Miranda Morland of Bruised UK
have also thanked Fernando, describing the Mental Health Bill as
“draconian, with no consideration for the patient”. Morland points to
the dangerous fusion of functions between the Home Office and the
Department of Health:
“We are all terrified by the implications
of the Mental Health Bill which has clearly come out of the Home Office
and not the Department of Health. In the headlines this week we have
found out that the government has secretly set up a VIP stalker squad
to identify and detain terrorists and ‘OTHER’ individuals who pose a
threat to prominent people. The unit staffed by police and
psychiatrists, will have the power to detain suspects indefinitely
using mental health laws.
“We always knew we were becoming a
police state but it is happening almost over night and we have no way
of stopping it, when these bully boy institutions work hand in hand. We
need to wake up to the Agenda being set in this country before it is
too late, and someone needs to remind the government that they work for
us.”
Unfortunately, it’s also time to wake up to the fact that
our interests, like those of mental health patients, are not on the
government’s agenda.
Corinna Lotz, AWTW secretary
This bill is a violation of our human rights it is about power and social control and has nothing to do with therapeutic care. The government and media are causing stigma and discrimination and inciting the public into believing that those who have been bruised by life are dangerous. This bill will allow anyone to be treated against their will giving the authorities power over every citizen no matter their ethnicity, creed, age or religion.
There are no medical tests to prove anyone has a "mental illness" and psychiatrists admit they cannot cure their patients. However psychiatry is legally drugging an entire new generation of children into robotic zombies and the psychotic drugs used are known to cause self harm, suicide and violence, psychosis mania, heart attacks and sudden death.
The only people profiting from this legislation are the pharmaceutical companies and those who make these diagnoses. If all else fails we can still be tortured with electroconvulsive therapy, or a lobotomy as a final measure. Eugenics seem to be alive and well and living a bit too near you and I if you ask me
LOT’S OF SLEEP
LOT’S OF FRESH AIR
LOT’S OF FRESH ORGANIC RAW FOODS
You are often woken form a slumber to fit in with staff timetables
The heating is on full blast
With no windows open keeping the bacteria and germs on the ward
You are breathing in carbon monoxide from your own breath
The food is high in sugar content
Nearly all refined, and not of a high quality
Certainly not fresh, and definitely not organic
Surely we should be working with nutritionalists
Who can advise on all sorts of healthy alternatives
We would be saving money long term
As beds would become vacant quicker
A fast turn over is what is actually needed
And please let’s try not to give them mrsa
“BRUISED UK”
Sadly it has so many faces
Let’s look at just a few
I hasten to add you cannot catch it by association
The sooner we can all understand that the better
The discrimination and stigma we suffer will hopefully stop….
What are the causes?
Bereavement:
Loss of a child,
a parent,
a partner
Long Term Care:
of a child,
a parent,
a partner
Abuse:
Emotional abuse
Sexual abuse
Verbal abuse
Bullying
The above can cause the following:
Low self esteem
Lack of confidence
Insecurity
Self neglect
Depression
Self harm
Breakdown
Trauma
Suicide
Notice the different degrees
Some things seem worse than others
Who are we to judge?
We must not judge!
Is my pain greater than yours?
We all bleed when we’re cut
THE DEATH CEREMONY
BY DR LI
THE DEATH CEREMONY STARTED AS A CRUDE
RITUAL BACK IN THE DAYS OF WITCHCRAFT.
IN RECENT YEARS IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED
INTO A SCIENCE.IT USUALLY TAKES TEN TO
FIFTEEN YEARS: HOWEVER, MODERN SCIENTIFIC
ADVANCEMENTS ARE SHORTENING THIS PERIOD
OF TIME. IT STARTS WITH ONE SIMPLE ASPRIN FOR
A SIMPLE HEADACHE. WHEN THE ONE ASPRIN WILL
NO LONGER COVER UP THE HEADACHE, TAKE TWO.
AFTER A FEW MONTHS, WHEN TWO ASPRINS WILL
NO LONGER COVER UP THE HEADACHE. YOU CAN
TAKE ONE OF THE STRONGER COMPOUNDS. BY THIS
TIME IT BECOMES NECESSARY TO TAKE SOMETHING
FOR THE ULCERS THAT HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY THE
ASPRINS. NOW THAT YOU ARE TAKING TWO MEDICINES;
YOU HAVE A GOOD START. AFTER A FEW MONTHS
THESE MEDICATIONS WILL DISRUPT YOUR LIVER
FUNCTION. IF A GOOD INFECTION DEVELOPES, YOU
CAN TAKE SOME PENICILLIN OF COURSE, THE
PENICILLIN WILL DAMAGE YOUR RED BLOOD
CORPUSCLES AND SPLEEN SO THAT YOU DEVELOPE
ANAEMIA. ANOTHER MEDICATION IS TAKEN TO COVER
UP THE ANAEMIA.BY THIS TIME ALL OF THE MEDICATIONS
WILL PUT SUCH A STRAIN ON YOUR KIDNEYS THAT THEY
SHOULD BREAK DOWN. IT IS NOW TIME TO TAKE SOME
ANTIBIOTICS. WHEN THESE DESTROY YOUR NATURAL
RESISTANCE TO DISEASE. YOU CAN EXPECT A GENERAL
FLARE-UP OF ALL YOUR SYMTOMS. THE NEXT STEP IS TO
COVER UP ALL OF THESE SYMPTOMS WITH SULFA DRUGS.
WHEN THE KIDNEYS FINALLY PLUG UP YOU CAN HAVE
THEM DRAINED. SOME POISONS WILL BUILD UP IN YOUR
SYSTEM BUT YOU CAN KEEP GOING QUITE A WHILE THIS
WAY. BY NOW THE MEDICATIONS WILL BE SO CONFUSED
THAT THEY WON’T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO
BE DOING BUT IT DOES’NT REALLY MATTER. IF YOU HAVE
FOLLOWED EVERY STEP AS DIRECTED YOU CAN MAKE AN
APPOINTMENT WITH YOUR UNDERTAKER. THIS GAME IS
PLAYED BY PRACTICALLY ALL IN THE WEST.
EXCEPT FOR THE FEW IGNORANT SOULS WHO FOLLOW NATURE.
136 SECTIONING
How many sections occur in this country every week?
How many more do the Police anticipate when the new Mental Health Bill is put into practice?
Who is being sectioned where are the figures for Age groups? Children, Adults, Older People. Gender? Race?
Where are the places of safety in this country based and are they manned 24/7?
How many Health Authorities use Police Cells as places of safety?
How many people die in custody on 136 sections?
Where are people transferred to, Prison? Psychiatric Ward? Or released?
What are the Police’s feelings about the effect on their workload when the new Bill is introduced, there must be projection figures?
Do the police have enough manpower to sustain it?
How many people suffer physical injuries whilst being 136 sectioned?
How long are people detained in police custody within the 72-hour period?
How many are detained for longer than 72 hours due to psychiatric bed shortages?
How many people are left in the community due to shortage’s of beds, manpower, etc and our these figures (waiting lists) known?
What are the top 4 reasons for a person being in such a state that they need to be sectioned? (Domestic violence victim, breakdown, bereavement)
Is there greater cluster’s of sectioning in certain areas and why should this be?
Are the criteria for sectioning in this country the same from county to county?
If not who decides what criteria are implemented?
Are any 136 sections carried out by the private sector/independent sector?
What training have they received on Mental Health Issues?
We ask these questions, as an understanding of these issue’s is crucial.
Service User’s and the Public need to be made aware of the 136 sectioning powers, and that anybody can have these measures used against them.
“bruised uk"
It would seem to be a complete fallacy stating that there is a Service User Movement in this country…
The Government, NHS and Mental Health Charities are surely over the moon that it does not exist. Due to their constant buffering and manipulation, as we can’t possibly have the Lunatics taking over the Asylum now can we!!!
The struggle we find ourselves in is ridiculous. Up against bureaucracy the whole time. To be paid our travelling expenses is like trying to extract blood from a stone. We are hardly welcomed when we do attend. We have to write separate letters to ask if we may please have a free place at a conference…we wouldn’t be asking for a free place if we could afford to come! And it is humiliating to feel we are begging which puts so many Service Users off that they don’t participate at all…. Our ideas are not minuted but within about 6 months our ideas are suddenly part of the new structure and probably bringing in some form of new funding as pamphlets are being written and papers produced on the very subject matter that we were ignored over when we first brought it to the table…. Where are the copy write boys when you need them…
Where is the transparency of these groups, when we ask to see the books to find out where all the funding has gone everyone passes the buck…”past history” or “water under the bridge” “lets move on don’t jeopardize what we have”….there, there go away and don’t ask embarrassing questions…we love asking embarrassing questions of everyone… especially the Government as they seem to forget they work for us…
When funding has been received by a group, books should be kept and columns filled in so everything is above board and everyone can see what and where the money was spent…it’s called transparency.
We are told we cannot attend certain meetings unless we represent a group (most of us are individuals speaking of our own experience now you want us to be at the table on behalf of everyone else who does not or cannot engage) we do not trust these big Charities who are sitting at table’s supposedly there representing little old us, as they are not asking us what we want so why do they assume they know? They should realize that many Service Users do not engage because they are treated badly, made to feel stupid, ignored, condescended to, that is why faces come and go… we get fed up trying to be heard…and in the end we walk away…just imagine if all of us got together and started our own movement we would be a force to be reckoned with…. we can’t do that as we would not want to become a Charity we would not want to be dictated to…we are not offered funding without strings, so we would have to fund ourselves oh surely that won’t work because Service Users haven’t got any money…not to mention the in house fighting and bitching and jealousy which makes it hard for anyone to trust each other then we get down to the paranoia (it ain’t paranoia if it’s true) and guess what we all disengage cos we’ve had enough…..We should not listen to the falsehoods and rubbish passed around especially when we do not know it’s true origins!!!!!
We need to come together and work for the common good of us all.
The Powers that Be sit at tables coming up with ridiculous ideas on our behalf. Holding rallies in buildings where no one can see or hear us. We end up handing out leaflets to ourselves and not the Public we don’t need to be converted we already know the figures and the problems, it’s the Public that need to be converted…. The Public need to be given the facts on Mental Health and violence and not brainwashed by the disgusting coverage of the Media Hype that Mad is Bad and dangerous…we must not allow ourselves to be depicted in this way…
Yet we are scared to speak up in case our services (if we are lucky enough to have any) are withdrawn.
We find it hard to stand up for ourselves, due to a minority of less than helpful professionals that we have all come across at sometime during this Mental Health Journey…Will our Doctor really report my fears of side-effects to the MHRA is it in my head or our these tablets making me feel worse?????
We want a quiet life; it is hard to fight for our Rights, when there is no fight left in us due to our diagnosis or the dummying down of the drugs we are too often prescribed.
We need to be part of the training of all the professionals working in the mental health field from psychiatrists, nurses, social workers, community psychiatric nurses and support workers…. all the way through to the Cleaners on wards who usually have more contact with us “the patients” than those paid to look after us, and lastly but especially important the Local Police….
The Police are often the first port of call for many experiencing a crisis which is a terrifying experience when you are desperate and in need. You do not expect to be put in a police car and taken to a police cell…sadly this is what happens to many of us including children…Not the best way to first access mental health services. Sadly the 136 section figures for England and Wales are extremely hard to get hold of, so we do not know how many unnecessary incarcerations are happening and how many people including children are dying in custody, apparently these figures are kept by the Home Office.
Unless we are truly integrated into the professionals, very existence
as part of normal life we will always have a situation of them
and us, causing the all too familiar faces of stigma and discrimination
from the very people who should know better.
Where are the true crisis centres (retreats) where we can go to recover quietly and in a caring environment where we are allowed to just be…When in a state most of us just want a warm bed, something hot to eat and drink…and lots of sleep in a safe and quiet environment (knowing there is someone there if we need them) This structure is fairly simple and wouldn’t cost a fortune but maybe that’s the problem it is just that, too simple…for those who love red tape and a manager for this and a manager for that and they must have a hygiene certificate, health and safety, and must be trained in IT skills etc.
Here’s a novel idea let’s get service users to run the retreats incorporating first hand knowledge and experience, empathy and I would imagine bushels of respect and kindness…
Wow that is radical!!!!!